Us Money movement

The Ons Geld movement was founded at the end of 2012. This foundation is aimed at informing people in the Netherlands about the pitfalls of our current monetary system, they also want to actively approach politicians and hold them accountable for their policies and they propose various alternatives and solutions.

On onsgeld.nu the site can be found. And it seems with this that there is a Dutch initiative comparable to eg one Positive Money movement from the UK.

Target

The Ons Geld movement tries to bring about monetary reform in the Netherlands to improve the future of all Dutch people. This goal must be achieved by banning fractional reserve banking and introducing a complementary currency that is accepted as a tax. Here we become economically independent again through a financial system where money is made by the people, and not by private institutions. In the golden era, banks could also create money; so we are not going back to the same system back then.

Background

Since the start of the last credit crisis in 2007, you heard a lot in the media that money had 'evaporated'. You heard a lot about debt, bad loans and how we 'lived on credit' for too long. We didn't understand how money could just disappear and what it actually meant that 'banks no longer trusted each other' and why it would be bad that we would have 'negative growth' in the economy. We then slowly started to find out what money actually is and where it comes from.

Meanwhile, the central banks of America and Europe came up with billions of euros to replenish the money stocks of banks, we had to save some banks with a 'bailout' of our tax money and politicians told us that the crisis was almost over.

Much has been and is now being said and written about the crisis. Analyzes have been presented and people are angry that politicians do not see or will not recognize the real causes. We also waited for someone to do something about it. Until we were shaken up by the following video from Mike Maloney, a guru in investing in gold and silver:

It was after this video that we started looking for organizations to join in order to form an anti-bank lobby and to move politicians to real reforms. However, such bodies did not seem to exist, and then we decided to set up the front ourselves that could be joined.

For people who have also had problems with our current money system for a while, this may be a good channel to bring about reforms.

Related articles and information:
-) Website - Us Money movement
-) Website - Positive Money movement from the UK
-) Update - How fair is our current economic system really?
-) Awareness about the banking system is growing worldwide
-) The death spiral of our economic system
-) What if the Euro collapsed?
-) Who are the international private banking cartel?
-) Backlight - The Brain of the Banker
-) Teledoc - I want my money back

20 thoughts on “Ons Geld beweging”

  1. Douwe, listened to the video, so it really does not make you happy, as this man explains the current situation. but also a striking detail is that if America gets into trouble, it has an unprecedented impact on the world, so you could say here that the economies should be disconnected. Also viewed that site and subscribed to stay informed. I also found it a disadvantage that they immediately ask for a donation of at least € 10, -. I felt some pressure behind that, so I will first take a look at that. You can always do that later. It may well be an opportunity to bring a halt to both the bank and politics. Just wait and see. Below 2 links, they both speak for themselves. Mvg Paul. :-( 
     
    http://www.levendmechanisme.nl/pdf/LC-23-01-2013-Nederland-wordt-bananenrepubliek.pdf
     
    http://www.levendmechanisme.nl/pdf/LC-23-01-2013-Groei-van-schuldsanering.pdf
     
     

  2. Paul, the first link doesn't seem to work. The second fits exactly with the trend, the Netherlands is deteriorating rapidly at the moment, poverty is rampant.

    This man in the video says what Joris Luyendijk and Tegenlicht also said, and what economists like Bernard Lietaer, Willem Middelkoop and Ad Broere have been saying for years. Politicians just lie hard about these things, perhaps out of self-preservation or through corruption or sheer stupidity and lack of knowledge in this area, but all times they are of no use to you and they are more part of the problem than of the solution.

    I know the people who set up this well and they are great people who really want to change things. And you can help in a lot of ways, even without becoming a member. :-) Although I think it could be worth a membership. 

    And banks themselves have privatized the money as a debt creation system on which they are allowed to charge the interest in Europe 300 years ago and from that moment on nicely parasitized the peoples of entire countries, so you will not get a fair word from that. Let's hope that a lot of people can shape their energy to bring about change through this club.

     

    1. Another reason why we need to nationalize all banks.
      After all, banks have our money and our collateral.
      In fact, it makes US the actual owners of the banks, not the 'shareholders'

  3. Very interesting how you argue that money is made by banks and that interest is one of the main reasons that the economy depends on growth.
    I agree that the banks' way of money creation, the abandonment of the gold standard, and interest all contribute greatly to inequality in the world. Yet I do not think that the value created in the world is therefore artificial.
    Join the thought experiment that today everyone in the world would cancel all debts. At the same time, we are out of debt, but most of us have no money in the bank and no pension either. But all the value produced in goods, education and human skills still exists. Humanity as a whole can still produce and care for each other as much as for that cancellation.
    This means that only the value we have created as humanity is real and only the distribution is crooked.

  4. Paul, you can decide for yourself how much you donate, we don't ask for a minimum.
    We do ask for 9 euros per year for a membership. This is essentially a donation, after which you will be officially counted as a supporter for the movement (and optionally the introduction package will be sent to your home). The reason behind this is that it is difficult to show how much support there is for an initiative like this among the population. Anyone can create a petition on the internet and have visitors click on a link to show support. By asking for money, there is a barrier that should really prove how many people really understood the problem.

    1. If one starts in the Netherlands with, who does not need a car, sells it abroad.
      The people who have problems have been tempted to live beyond their means. If one eliminates these temptations from the advertising system, one can simply live well.
      Us knows us. It's just a friend's policy of slime ore. If morality in the Netherlands is restored to a fair and tidy level and the instigators point out the facts, where they have to put a hand in their own bosom, there is again room for life where money can play a very small role.

  5. It has been coming for a while, but the extension and increase in debt in the US has come through. When are we going to disconnect the dollar from the money circuit?

    US debt ceiling may be higher
    WASHINGTON - The US House of Representatives on Wednesday approved a temporary increase in the debt ceiling. The limit of $ 16.4 trillion (€ 12,323 billion) will be reached in mid-February, but the US government will be allowed to continue borrowing until May 19. In fact, the debt ceiling was already reached on December 31, 2012, but a direct debt crisis could then be averted, among other things by stopping investments in pension and disability funds. With the extension, the U.S. government will be able to continue paying the bills for the next three months.
    (ANP)
     
    But there is also a bit of good news for the environment:
    http://www.levendmechanisme.nl/pdf/LC-24-01-2013-Groeien-met-schone-en-vieze-bekertjes.pdf
     
    Mvg Paul. 

    1. Yes, the dollar is secured by the current agreements on how to settle oil and that's what the whole US war machine is floating on ... 

      See also this article http://www.visionair.nl/politiek-en-maatschappij/europa/china-stapt-van-de-dollar-af-voor-oliehandel/ 

      However, I think the US has abused that privilege long enough and apparently countries like China and Russia are starting to think so too. But then the question becomes. It could turn out to be an ugly divorce although we will get out better in the long run. 

      1. You could think of your own currency again. That is the only advantage I think of the EU, so no more hassle about the European currency. You now have the dollar, chinese renminbi, ruble and euro, so that should be enough. So in my opinion you could also discount the oil price? Mvg Paul.

  6. Marty Bolluyt

     
    There is no shortage of study material, nor of beautiful economic plans, it is becoming increasingly clear that the term 'sleeping' can be taken literally, even with the eyes open, it turns out ...

    For the correct economic understanding of the 21st century, it is enlightening to imagine an economy consisting of two sectors. Sector A comprises the unpaid work that people do for themselves, their families or their own community, while sector B comprises all goods and services intended for sale or exchange through some market. The production of goods and services for the benefit of the market has become so dominant that the economists of the Industrial Age have almost forgotten the entire existence of sector A. The word "economy" has been defined in a way that excludes all forms of productive labor not destined for the market.

    The prosumer (from sector A) has thus become invisible and is not part of the economic definitions and statistics. This means, for example, that all unpaid work at home, cleaning the house yourself, raising children and volunteering in all its forms is dismissed as “not economic” while sector B, the visible economy, could not exist without the goods and services consumed in sector A, the invisible economy.

    Politicians and experts are blind (in the context of the current crisis allegations) to statistics based solely on sector B transactions. They are concerned about declining “growth” and “productivity”. However, as long as we continue to think, act and act in outdated Industrial Age categories and see Sector A as negligible and out of the economy, we will never get to grips with our economic problems. The “Law of relative inefficiency” is relevant in this regard… the more we automate the production of goods and lower the unit price, the more expensive manual work becomes and the higher the costs of non-automated work. Even without inflation, this law makes it more “profitable” for more and more people to produce for their own needs, shifting more and more activities from sector B to sector A (from market sector to prosumption).

    The currently remarkable rise in proconsumption in affluent countries calls into question most of the assumptions and goals of the Industrial Age. In any case, pro-consumption in the 21st century should be seen as a positive thing, rather than a regrettable relic of the past. Perhaps what most people need is partial employment, coupled with a new visionary policy aimed at making their “prosumption” more productive.

    The poor of our world do not primarily ask for a job, but for food and a roof over their heads. A job is at most a means to that. Often, however, these people can grow their own food and build their own homes, or at least contribute to them. In other words, anything that helps the individual prosume more effectively is just as important as production, expressed in the conventional way in GDP. To boost the "productivity" of the prosumer, governments need to direct scientific and technological research efforts towards prosumption.
    In my opinion, the crisis is easy to solve if we really treat the consumer as a real employee. Which means that he / she must therefore receive a salary every month that is sufficient for subsistence (eg € 2000 per adult, € 1000 per non-adult). To this you add: abolish any form of income tax, only apply VAT (42%-47%).
    The crisis is not a lack of work, but a lack of income, on all fronts (the government is also affected)

    1. Marty Bolluyt, I think you've got it right. It would indeed be a plus to increase the pro consumption. You are then less dependent in various matters. In addition, you can therefore stimulate Douwe's permaculture more, by growing your own vegetables, etc., at least that is a good example in your story. The great thing is that neither the government nor the banks can put their finger on it. That seems like a liberating feeling. Mvg Paul.

    1. Renren, thank you for providing this link, have read it and can fully agree with myself. I have been saying for a long time that the EU was and is a rotten system, but everyone I approach about this always says, you should not be so negative, but look at the benefits of the EU. Nothing could be further from the truth, I also think that we are still too good and if we have butter on our heads, it depends on how you want to put it into words. The water will have to be on our lips before we revolt I think. So you also see the data of SNS Reaal. Not to film. Mvg Paul.

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